Craig. Don’t care if you publish this comment or not but this needs to be said. You are a tool. A fuck-wit. A stupid moronic poophead. A no good idiotic piece of rodent poo. You should be silenced…gagged, water-boarded and smacked in the head with a blunt object. Get out of your mother’s basement, turn off the internet kiddie porn, put out your blunt and go outside for some fresh air dude, I think your brain is fried. Cheers, Rachael
I have a couple lessons to finish with the bootcamp, and what I’m thinking about doing if I even think about continuing to blog is create a site not around WA but to help others figure out how to make money online, wordpress, how to create a website, select a hosting platform like Hostgator which I had previous experience with before WA, clickfunnels and so forth. But yeah, it’s been real, and an eye opening experience. I’ll likely be transferring my domains back to Hostgator here.
Open an Etsy store. If you have a creative talent or skill – whether it’s creating art, sewing clothes, or making keepsakes – you can open an online store on Etsy.com and sell your wares for some quick cash. With your own Etsy store, you’re left in charge of pricing and, ultimately, how much you make. See our detailed primer, “How to Make Money on Etsy.”
22. Advertising – This is definitely the most old-school way of earning money with a blog. It’s also starting to become the least common way. You can sell advertising spots directly on your site or you can sign up with a company like Google AdSense or Media.net. Either way, you won’t see a whole lot of money from ads until your views are well into the thousands each day.
In the Institute's submissions on the foreign affiliate reporting rules, we have emphasized three broad taxpayer goals for the legislation: The rules must be administrable; they should avoid imposing substantial new reporting burdens where the information is generally available on audit; and finally, appropriate relief provisions are necessary because no matter how fair and well-crafted the rules, unique facts and circumstances exist (or will arise) that will preclude some taxpayers from fully complying with the requirements.
The community is positive and I see help being offered 24/7 at least she tried to help you. With that statment the readers will know we try to help with every question asked. The program is built around helping real people build a real business I am a member and I could say Im not dumb for becomming one. I Have been around  the online marketing business for eight years.

Being a current premium member of WA since 2015, active on and off mostly off, but hosting three sites with them, two professional and one monetized, I was expecting to thoroughly disagree with your review; however, I was in many respects surprised and pleased. For the most part, it was insightful and spot-on and while I do see and agree with many of your assertions, I don’t necessarily agree with your conclusion.
Become a virtual assistant. Virtual assistants perform a wide range of services for their clients, all of which can be completed online. Depending on the day, they may open and reply to emails, schedule online work or blog posts, write mock-up letters and proposals, or perform data entry. You can look for virtual assistant jobs on sites like UpWork.com and Problogger.net.
You may have noticed in my overview of the Amazon Associates site that I left out the mention of the plugin they built for WordPress. That’s because the plugin doesn’t work (at least not well). Luckily, the Amazon Auto Links plugin will simplify the process of finding new and relevant products to promote and creating affiliate links to them--all from within WordPress.
WordPress comes free with cpanel which incidentally, Kyle at WA told me is outdated. I purchased a reseller account from Greengeeks which will host unlimited websites. Each domain has an independent cpanel which includes a load of free software (including WordPress) All this for only 20 Dollars/month. I recently built a dozen websites all with WordPress using that account. I think it could be done even cheaper if you shop around but I’m really happy with the service I get and no need to change. If you only want one website a cpanel platform from Greengeeks will cost you around 4 USD/month if you pay in advance. Of course you don’t get the “community” that comes with WA but you don’t get the brainwashing or stupid restrictions either.
Your post is supremely detailed, well delineated and presented in a way that seems legitimate and genuine way to earn financial freedom.  I especially like the visual aids you provide with analysis and progress reports.  It sounds to me like a soluble manner in which to level up someone’s financial status and I will definitely look further into it and pass the link along.  Thank you for dialling in such a well informed post.  
Take good pictures. Some of the options below don’t require you to actually take the picture and sell the product, but for the ones that do, make sure you take a clear picture that makes your product stand out from the others.  If you’re going to be taking a lot of pictures, set up a small “studio-like” area in your home with a backdrop and proper lighting to really make your pictures come across as professional. And of course, you’ll want a good camera too.
This is a great review! Probably one of the longest one’s I’ve seen so far 🙂 Wealthy Affiliate is truly one of the best platforms that can help you earn money online. I’ve tried out many other programs as well, and failed to make any kind of money with all of them. Some other’s are legit as well, but nothing matches the training, tools and the whole community that we have here on WA!
Manage social media for businesses. If you have a knack for social media, you could potentially get paid to manage various platforms for others. Many businesses are too busy running day-to-day operations to stay on top of their Facebook, Twitter, and Pinterest accounts – and will pay someone with the knowledge and time to do it for them. To find these jobs, ask local businesses and check sites like UpWork.com and Problogger.net.
The community is positive and I see help being offered 24/7 at least she tried to help you. With that statment the readers will know we try to help with every question asked. The program is built around helping real people build a real business I am a member and I could say Im not dumb for becomming one. I Have been around  the online marketing business for eight years.
The ego is the driver making the decisions. It decides between the devil (the id) and the angel (the super-ego) on either shoulder (yes, all those cartoons you've ever seen are partly true). We have voices in our mind, and it's up to the ego to decide which one to fulfill. Its goal is to satisfy the id in some way while also attending to the super-ego.

But here’s the kicker… If you sign up using my affiliate link for Wealthy Affiliate, I will be notified and I will send you a welcome message. From that point on, you can contact me absolutely any time and I will help coach you through the process. If you ever feel overwhelmed or have questions you can’t find the answers to, I’m just a quick message away. I’m not only happy to return the favor for you clicking on my affiliate link, but this business is my passion, and I absolutely love watching people’s businesses grow. So, if you are looking for one more reason to join Wealthy Affiliate, use any of my Wealthy Affiliate links before you sign up and you’ll get free coaching from me personally.
I’ve traded my time for money for about the last 10-12 months copyrighting, content marketing, free traffic methods, commenting, finding that community and what not, and now I’m starting to put in more money in front of time by using Ads, leveraging CPA offers, and then fishing more in Facebook Ads, Google, Bing, Instagram, etc. I’ve already made my awareness on Facebook Ads, and now I’m adding more intent by using Google Ads. So,I’m gathering information, pixels to retarget later. Hopefully it gets me somewhere.
Some offers may have low commission or conversion rates: Not all affiliate offers were created equal. Some offers pay out more % per sale. Somer offers just don’t convert that well despite sending tons of traffic to them. It is important to pick a good offer that converts well & pays out high. Look for offers that are the most popular in your niche at clickbank.com, or look at other affiliates ranked on page 1 of Google within the niche and look at what type of offers they are promoting. Most likely those are the great offers to promote in the niche.
There is no misinformation outlined in this step, but so much about the process of building an internet marketing site is left out. It’s not dishonest, but it is deceiving. Even if you progress through their free course, you’ll still only possess the basics of the basics. To have any hope of knowing what to do with your site you’ll absolutely have to go premium and be prepared to spend tons of hours learning and asking questions.
It seams that owning a membership site is the best policy for making any real money online ,this way you are more or less guaranteed a monthly and even an annual income. All of the top people in affiliate marketing have used this method, and are getting quite rich using it. These people did not get rich by merely applying the affiliate marketing strategy that they are offering to their members, which shows that you will not get rich by what they are offering to you.
WordPress comes free with cpanel which incidentally, Kyle at WA told me is outdated. I purchased a reseller account from Greengeeks which will host unlimited websites. Each domain has an independent cpanel which includes a load of free software (including WordPress) All this for only 20 Dollars/month. I recently built a dozen websites all with WordPress using that account. I think it could be done even cheaper if you shop around but I’m really happy with the service I get and no need to change. If you only want one website a cpanel platform from Greengeeks will cost you around 4 USD/month if you pay in advance. Of course you don’t get the “community” that comes with WA but you don’t get the brainwashing or stupid restrictions either.
The support in there is really hit and miss, which can be a bummer, as the quality of response you receive can vary greatly depending upon who replies, and it’s seldom you’ll get much from either of the head muckity mucks. They profess to be active in the community chat, but often times it’s a lot of “hey, great job…keep up the good work and you’ll be making money in no time” kind of fluff. Be prepared to do some Googling when you have a question.

Val, this is a huge issue. The name Wealthy Affiliate strongly implies that they will teach you how to get WEALTHY from AFFILIATE marketing. Surely, if many members were succeeding at becoming wealthy, they would all be shouting loudly about how wealthy they are. Usually, when people don’t want to reveal how much money they are making, it’s because they are embarrassed because they feel it’s too low. It’s like if you ask a married couple how often they have sex. They will be embarrassed to tell you because they feel it’s not often enough. If they were mating like rabbits several times a night they would probably be proudly bragging about it.
I’ve noticed that a lot of people who sign up for Wealthy Affiliate are those who are in dire need of financial help. They may have lost a job or may have suffered some other financial setback such as medical issues. The thing is, there’s no reason these people should stay away from Wealthy Affiliate, but many of them have this expectation that they can create a full-time income in a matter of weeks or even a few months. That is NOT the case. Remember, it takes an average business 3 years to profit. Fortunately, it will not take that long with an online business, but it will take considerable time and effort. If you need an income source fast, Wealthy Affiliate is not the place to provide that. Instead, Wealthy Affiliate teaches you how to build a real, sustainable online business over a period of time that will also last a long time.

Be professional. When you submit a résumé, don’t type it in ALL CAPS and please don’t avoid the caps lock like the plague. Know how to use it without looking incompetent. Write in complete sentences with proper grammar. Of course, there will be exceptions, but even with the exceptions, you must keep it professional. You’re building their view of you.
The thing is, you don’t need to be a writer to be very successful at creating content. Can you write an email to a friend? If so, then you can be the BEST writer there is out there. Too many people think content creation is about having an English major, when in reality it is communicating with your audience and often times about something that you are passionate or love doing.
Yes, Craig, and it’s often a case of the blind leading the blind. Often the most active and most helpful members on WA are quite new, and they get enthusiastic about interacting with other members and all helping each other out. So you get a bunch of enthusiastic newbies all giving each other advice even though they don’t really know what they’re talking about.
So, it is possible to make loads of money online, but not how most people are being led to believe. The best way to get rich online is to own a website like Wealthy Affiliate and get lots of people to join and then get a good percentage of those to pay you for the previlege of doing your marketing for you by trashing other websites. Failing that, the 2nd best way is to launch products that promise to show people how to make money online but don’t quite live up to that promise. Failing that, the 3rd way is to promote those products as an affiliate.
23. Affiliates – There are many affiliate networks, such as FlexOffers and CJ Affiliate that allow you to promote other people’s products and services. You simply put a link or a banner on your page and then you get a percentage if someone clicks through and buys the product/service. You’ll want to select products that are specifically within your blog’s category.This is an effective way to earn money once you have the traffic coming to your blog.
Legitimacy. If you are searching online for a way to make “quick money” you will end up sorting through numerous scams. Between upfront scams and up-sells down the road, it is extremely difficult to find a legitimate online business opportunity. Wealthy Affiliate is a transparent, SCAM-FREE program that provides all the tools you need to be successful, without up-sells.
It is my opinion you may be discounting the significance of your background and assuming others, with no idea as to how to even start such a journey, would easily know how to begin. So, to me, WA jumps into the fray rescuing the neophyte, is it perfect? Nope, but they are highly successful in laying an effective foundation on which further study can be obtained. From my perspective, for their concerted effort, I give them a resounding applause!!!
Wealthy Affiliate has existed since 2005, so they’ve been around for a long time. However, they have never once increased their price, even though every year they add new features. Wealthy Affiliate has never been as helpful or advanced as it is today, and the “help and be helped” community has never been bigger. If you’ve been putting off joining Wealthy Affiliate, now is the absolute best time to join the community.
 First and foremost, I found this while doing research on these on line work from home business. I am just kind of put off with your review because honestly they way you described your actions and attitude to the company in general, I would have reacted in much the same way but I would not have been as nice about it. Let's face it....you were rude. You know what they say, "you get what you give. I don't think anyone out there who has out the time and effort into creating such a training program would be okay with any one skipping ahead to what they think they need. You came off like a know it all and nobody likes that. So in my opinion, you tried something, it didn't work so, you didn't get your way and so basically this is your rendition of throwing a tantrum...grow up!!!!
Start a bed and breakfast. If you live in a popular resort area or own a historic property, a B&B might be the perfect side hustle. Not only can you work at home with this career, but you’ll also score some tax write-offs in the process — although most innkeepers caution that the profession requires a lot of hard work and is more of an attractive lifestyle than a money-making pursuit.
Well, I believe that this is just a smart way to get into business since you probably are expecting this kind of comments which will make people sign up and check what you are talking about and BAM there is your referral. Your blog wouldn’t be ranked so well if you haven’t worked on it, and you apparently work on it a lot since you are getting referrals. Good trick! That’s just one kind of the affiliate marketing.
The primary purpose of any review, including this review of Wealthy Affiliate, is to help you decide if you should or should not sign up or purchase something. For starters, since you can sign up for a free account at Wealthy Affiliate, I think that is a no-brainer way to go. Don’t take my word or anyone else’s word for it, go see for yourself! There is no credit card required or anything like that. It’s completely free to try.
So far so good. No way? What a shame. I’m wondering if these “experts” even are aware of checking their own plugins, not to say they have the Alexa widget themselves but it goes to show that they’ll say anything to please people. There are people with knowledge at WA but sometimes I wonder what and why some of the responses to people are so vague or so general, while others don’t make complete sense at all. I’ve had my fair share of people replying with off centered comments and they normalize everything with no real answers. It’s bizzare. So much shiny object syndromes.
If their business model was based on scams and lies, they would’ve fizzled out in the modern age of having knowledge at one’s fingertips. You cannot refute this argument by stating that most, if not all, WA members are ignorant and oblivious morons therefore keeping the WA business model alive because that would be blatantly assuming that most people are plain idiots.
They just did the same thing to me! I spent lots of time building a site and decided to cancel my premium membership which was set to renew on 11/28/18. I emailed tech support and questioned people in their “live chat” and was told by both I would have 30 days after the renewal date to move my site. The problem is I cannot access it. I am working 14 hour days and had planned to ,move it yesterday on my only day off and I am beyond angry they are holding my work hostage. I have tried to email them twice to find out how to access the site and no response. I do not want access to their entire platform just admin access to my site. If I have to pay a month of premium to backup my work I will file complaints with the FTC as well as the BBB. This is terrible business practice. They already got 2 years worth of premium fees out of me and then lied or gave me incorrect info about the amount of time I would have to back the site up. I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND WEALTHY AFFILIATE TO ANYONE. They are friendly as long as their hand is in your bank account. Does anyone know how I can get admin access to my wp site outside their platform so I can back it up before they delete it?
We can appreciate any frustration you have from the past. There are truly a lot of low grade and even scams in this industry, so your frustration is very much warranted. Honestly though, your experience is going to be much better and you are going to love your experience once you step foot into Wealthy Affiliate. There is not a more comprehensive, trusted and caring company in the industry for Internet Entrepreneurs.
I am a HUGE fan of the “freemium” business model. Wealthy Affiliate follows that model by offering a free membership account. The free membership gives you limited access in the Wealthy Affiliate dashboard. Some of your access lasts forever, such as some of the training videos and community features, while other features only last for a limited time, such as the live chat feature. Here is what you get with the free Wealthy Affiliate Membership:
Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) is the standard markup language for creating web pages and web applications. This step is important to keep your costs down and still get what you want. If you're not familiar with basic HTML and basic concepts about running a website, invest in the time to learn; it will be well worth the outlay in the long run. Even if the site is basically a template for you to use, you're still going to need to know how to insert images, create hyperlinks, and do some text formatting.
After trying many programs and being scammed, I gave Wealthy Affiliate a shot. I was at my wits end with all the other things that I have tried. It was a bit of a reprieve when I realized that the people behind Wealthy Affiliate are really there to help you and are actually front and center within their business. I asked Kyle who is one of the owners a question about my website the other day and I got a detailed response in less than an hour.
Hi Andrew, I have also been following the YouTube videos presented by Income School. These guys are genuinely nice guys and they really do have the stuff to back up their claims. I have actually been considering a registration with them. They have been building passive income sites for years now and I believe that when they say that they guide you to do exactly as they do – and have done for years now – one has the confidence that they will deliver on their promise.
When I say that I love Wealthy Affiliate, I’m not just saying that because I’m an affiliate for them. I’m a very active premium member at Wealthy Affiliate and love interacting with people on a daily basis. If you join, you’ll see me posting on people’s profiles, answering questions, chatting in the live chat area, and I have private personal messaging conversations multiple times per day.
It is my opinion you may be discounting the significance of your background and assuming others, with no idea as to how to even start such a journey, would easily know how to begin. So, to me, WA jumps into the fray rescuing the neophyte, is it perfect? Nope, but they are highly successful in laying an effective foundation on which further study can be obtained. From my perspective, for their concerted effort, I give them a resounding applause!!!

your trying to get honest signups with a deceptive fake landing page.I’m sure Kyle and Carson would be real impressed since one of their main guidelines is to help people with their problems. Truth and honesty i would assume are looked upon as a lower level tactic for gaining peoples trust.Is it safe to assume that this is the way they promote Wealthy Affiliate? I’m just curious if that’s part of the training that the Wealthy Affiliate Platform is built on .I mean if the purpose of Wealthy Affiliates training is to entice with and offer from a fake review page.Then hell just take em right from the landing page directly to the sales page since your already lying to them anyway why not see if we can’t sell em something else.Seems like if were not helping them solve a problem we may as well milk as much money as we can can because as soon as they figure out we just conned em. I’m sure they will hurry back to buy more junk.


Some of the tools(not all) on this page contain affiliate links which mean that if you choose to make a purchase, I will earn a commission. This commission comes at no other cost to you. Please understand that I recommend them because they are helpful and useful, not because of the small commissions I make if you decide to buy something. Please do not spend any money on these products unless you feel you need them or that they will help you achieve your goals. Thanks!
Shovel driveways and sidewalks in the winter if it snows in your area. Pick a shovel that’s lightweight yet sturdy and has a non-stick blade. Come up with a shoveling strategy, whether it’s working from the top of the driveway to the bottom or going in diagonal lines across the driveway. Push the snow from side to side and only pick it up when you need to avoid wearing yourself out fast.[9]
What an awesome website!  I am new to affiliate marketing, and there are a few areas that I have been a little unsure of, but you guys really explained it all well.  The part I like the best is how there is no up sale, you know exactly what you are paying for, and that’s what you get.  Too many times I have seen these scams where there is no end to what you have to pay out for.  Thank you so much for a very honest, comprehensive review!  Clay
Grow plants, herbs, or vegetables to sell if you have a green thumb. If your parents let you plant your own garden in the backyard, opt for easy-to-grow vegetables like lettuce, tomatoes, or cucumbers. If you will be growing your plants inside in pots, choose ones that don’t require a lot of sunlight or space. Pick your vegetables when they’re ripe and sell them in bags or plastic containers.[5]
Authors Note: We spend so much on education but earn less than $500 after graduation. I am also a believer that knowledge is power. You need to invest in Financial Education(Wealthy Affiliate, Inbox Blueprint or BuilderAll) that shows you how to make a living. It is not a must to study at Harvard like Mark Zuckerberg the Owner of Facebook to be great!

You don't need a tool, you need a good strategy. You have few products ready to be sold, so, to complete the process you need a traffic and conversion. You can have some paid traffic from social networks, search engines, forums and other advertising websites. For the conversion you need a well built website and attracting products that your visitors will want to buy.
Whatever you choose to do with this monetization and marketing technique, take time to plan your strategy. While it is very easy to get started and to add Amazon affiliate links to WordPress, the key to success is in how well you execute those links and promote them to your visitors. Affiliate marketing takes time to excel at, so be patient and don't give up!
This Is Ok in my mind, because it is Your right, Im glad we can express ourselves. Im also glad You took the time for yourself, to look into WA.  I hope you will Understand my comment is on the otherside of yours. Im not a robot in any shape or form. I believe with all my experiance that its a good program and we both took our time here to express ourselves. We both deserve the respect for our opinion's. I respect yours You have a great life,my best wishes to your success JB
Hi Tony! Great Review! I love the reverse Psychology you use in relaying your message. Your flair for writing and keeping my attention should be commended–great job! I am fascinated with WA and it has changed my life! Not only do I see myself as an entrepreneur now, but I am living as one! Great insight into an awesome platform! Continued success to you!
As someone who has years of experience doing lead generation on a local blog. Getting enough “traffic” for an affiliate site is damn hard. Over the past couple of years, an injury to my foot has left me slightly disabled. Affiliate marketing makes sense for someone like me with prior blogging experience who now has limitations. I will start with one niche and add another site later. I’m hoping to see good results in within about 18 months. But that’s only because I know how to do a lot of things and I know what’s involved. You have to write consistently, work your SEO, pick your poison in social media and be engaged in it. It’s a lot of hard WORK. I feel sorry for anyone who got their site shut down because they didn’t know how to transfer their site to another host. That’s terrible.

27. Sponsored/paid posts – Many blogs publish sponsored and paid posts. Sponsored posts are basically just posts about a specific brand, product or service. A company will pay you to publish an article about it. It’s similar with other paid posts as well. Your basically selling the spot for the article on your site. If you decide to take this route, you’ll want to build your traffic before you will get many offers.


For example, when I first started back in 2009, I learned from a service called Solo Build It. I knew absolutely nothing about building an online business, let alone what “affiliate marketing” even meant. However, they changed my life and taught me how to build money-making websites online, which is what I’ve been doing with my life ever since. This is another great service to consider and you can read my review of Solo Build It here.


There are SO MANY success stories on Wealthy Affiliate, these are just some of the ones I found. One thing you’ll notice is that most of these success stories are NOT making money by promoting Wealthy Affiliate. They are promoting an array of other products and services. Wealthy Affiliate teaches you how to promote nearly any product or service in nearly any industry. That’s the beauty of it. Wealthy Affiliate does offer a fantastic affiliate program (which I am a part of), but there are so many other things you can promote once you go through the training.
Rose and others looking for employment this summer: Retry the babysitting idea. Summer is a good time to babysit. Maybe volunteer a few times first and then use those families as references. Tell everyone you know that you are available to babysit. Use email, Facebook, fliers, word of mouth. Also try offering a set time every week, like Tuesday evenings form 5-9 pm in your home. Parents know they can drop off their children without calling ahead. They really appreciate that. It takes time and persistence to get the word out, butit can be done!

Yes, if you log back into your account and you weren’t a premium member in the past, you should see the $19 offer there. If you forget your password, there is a password reset on the login page. And of course, Wealthy Affiliate gives you the flexibility and full control of your Premium membership. You can move to the yearly membership (and save on the overall membership fees) at any time.
As the years passed they moved more towards the blogging model and the concept that anyone can build a business by blogging about whatever they are most interested in. This approach is far more long-winded and very hit-and-miss in terms of how likely people are to succeed. Sure, some people will eventually find great success if their chosen topic happens to be a profitable niche and they are good at writing and stick it out for long enough. For many others it will not go beyond being a hobby site that pays a bit of spare change. No need to sign up to Wealthy Affiliate to do that. Just throw up a free blog at Blogspot.com, write about what you’re interested in, and throw in some affiliate links here and there. It’s not rocket science, folks.
Good to hear. I started on WA free account and was thinking about the premium but it is so hard to get an honest review in IM that it takes a lot of time to read as much as you can on a course before pulling the trigger on one. Im thinking maybe a mentor would be good. Do you know of any programs like this ? I think talking to someones would be the best way to learn. Hope to read your new topic on IM. thanks
However, if you’re running an e-commerce site, conducting product testing and reviews, or offer Amazon product coupons, then you probably will want to use a WordPress Amazon affiliate theme. To be clear, these themes aren’t usually made specifically for Amazon affiliates. Instead, what you’ll want to look for are e-commerce or multi-purpose WordPress themes that are:

I set out to be one of the few that would try and promote WA in a unique way, but after a few months there I began to grow more disillusioned with the product and found that it would be harder to sell because I am not going to bullshit anyone. I think it’s a decent value as long as someone enters into their membership with realistic expectations and are not in a period of financial desperation. They do provide a pretty comprehensive nuts and bolts breakdown of how to do WordPress and basic IM practices, but I think anyone who is serious about IM will find that they will quickly outrgow WA within their first year.
This sounds like exactly what I am looking for, Tony. Yours is by far the best review of an affiliate opportunity that I have ever read — it has caught my attention and fired me up! I am a published audiobook narrator/independent publisher who writes my own marketing content 🙂 My goal (also with my audiobooks) is to build a strong residual income – and I came across your amazing review of WA through a search I conducted yesterday.
There is no doubt that online business really works and with the right training you can build a business of your dream from the comfort of your home and it is far easier than you think it is - you just need to put efforts and dedication in to it. I was just wasting my precious time on low quality programs instead of investing it in to the quality training.
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